Hermione’s frame

If you want a super strong X8 compatible frame that’s large enough for every possible sensor, there’s only one out there that fits the bill.  And it fits it well, and then some.  It’s designed and hand-made in Poland at quadframe.com by Jakub Jewula.

Hermione's frame

Hermione’s frame

The frame is carbon fiber throughout.  The arms are hinged to allow them to fold for transport, but lock into place amazingly sturdily for flight.  The kit comes complete with a simple but well designed power distribution tower, outer-plates for 5V power, WiFi and GPS as shown (or whatever you want to add) and various shelves for flight controllers, LiPo’s etc.  I love the way all the wiring for motors, power, GPS and WiFi can be fed down their tubes to protect them from blades during flight.

The standard legs aren’t strong enough for some of the catastrophic falls Hermione has had during her development, so I use these instead.

Hermione's closeup

Hermione’s closeup

I have a few bits of build advice:

  • Don’t be scared to tighten the bolts as hard as possible for brackets attached to the CF tubes
  • Don’t bother with the bolt to join the CF arm to the shoulder socket joint, just use epoxy resin glue; it gives a better distributed, stronger connection, and hence significantly reduces the chance of damage on impacts by ensuring forces are passed through to the frame itself.
  • Apply a little grease to the shoulder joints so they can’t lock up if you over-tighten them.
  • Wrap some duct-tape at the ends of each arm where the motor bracket joins to prevent hard side impact pushing the motors down the arms.
  • Add these foam rubber balls to the end of the legs to try to absorb some of any impact landings.
  • If you want a cover, this salad bowl is a perfect fit, shown in a previous revision of her frame build:

    Salad bowl

    Salad bowl


Note that I was not paid for this advert and I paid full price for the frame.  I’ve written this post because the frame is simply the best DIY fold-able CF X8 frame available, period.

Hermione’s first flights

Hermione’s been out and about using the full X8; her first flight shot her into the air at hyper-speed due to a FIFO-overflow that the code didn’t catch.  With the code fixed and a replacement motor installed, I tried again.  After a couple of reasonable flights proving the X8 PIDs needed no tuning, they then started to fail for a couple of reasons:

  • FIFO overflows
  • I2C I/O errors

Both types were caught and killed the flights, but why were they happening?

  • The FIFO errors I think are due simply because I’m now pushing the limits of my A+’ performance; adding an exception to ensure the FIFO was processed as a priority when the FIFO fills over 50% has resolved that.  However…
  • The I2C I/O errors seem (after lots of testing) to be related to the Garmin LiDAR-Lite.  If it’s plugged in, regardless of whether I’m sampling it or not, I get the I2C I/O errors.  If it’s unplugged, all works perfectly.

I have various things to try out:

  1. It could be due to the extra power-draw when it’s plugged in.  Easy to test as I’ve just bought a huge 4S2P 6600mA LiPo:

    GensAce 4S2P 6600mAh LiPo

    GensAce 4S2P 6600mAh LiPo

  2. It could be confirmation of a rumour I’d heard up that the LiDAR-Lite V2 wasn’t good at sharing the I2C bus with anyone else – I hope the V3 doesn’t suffer from the same.
  3. It could be due to noise on the bus caused by the 20cm long cables.  I picked up some stuff from my PX4FLOW investigations about wiring requirements for long cables.
  4. Mentioned in the PX4FLOW docs, and also in the Garmin LiDAR Lite V3 instructions is the need for a decoupling capacitor between Vcc and ground.

If / when I can get the Garmin working together with the IMU, then it’s all systems go for sustained zero drift flights.

Hermione development calendar



  • New legs (awaiting arrival)
  • New PX4FLOW 1.3.1 (awaiting arrival of a slow boat from China)
  • New PCBs – X8 compatible but testing first in quad mode



  • URF (and perhaps LEDDAR) height fused with double integrated accelerometer Z axis for qdz_input distance PID
  • PX4FLOW x and y velocities fused with single integrated accelerometer X, Z axes for qvx_input, qvy_input velocity PIDs
  • ignore the PX4FLOW gyro – stick with the MPU9250
  • ignore the PX4FLOW timings – stick to the MPU9250 sampling clock for integration etc
  • working compass
  • look after the kids during their summer holidays


  • get X8 motors and ESC but hold off installation depending on progress of above.



  • GPS via USB (or 2 port hub if A3 wire built in WiFi has not been announced by then)
  • external antenna for A3 if arrived
  • test flight to GPS defined target at fixed speed / height
  • Cotswold Jam 24th September 1pm – 4pm



  • A3 (speculative arrival)



  • Remove LEDDAR and instead use UART for Scanse Sweep
  • test obstacle avoidance on a GPS target flight

Body Snatcher

I’ve promoted Chloe’s HoG to house-sit Hermione’s frame:

Body snatcher

Body snatcher

She’s passed basic testing (like not blowing up when the LiPo is attached), and the HoG boots, and the motor rotation direction test works.  I’ve now got to jiggle the wires into the ESCs so all the props rotate the right way and we’re ready for a flight!

P.S. Notice the nicely plaited motors wires – keeps them tightly together which will be important when the extra four are added for the X8.

Say ‘Hi!’ to Hermione*

Hermione will be the mother of all that’s gone; she’s a bit heartless at the moment – her HoG will be an RPi A3 when it appears on the market.

Hermione flat-out (with banana for scale)

Hermione flat-out (with banana for scale)

Hermione flat-out (with banana for scale)

Hermione tip-toes (with banana for scale)

The main reason behind building yet another quadcopter is the frame:

  • loads more space for extra sensors
  • folding arms so it’s easily transportable
  • beautiful build – lots of CF and CNC machining
  • lots of extension platforms adding lots of options of where to put all the pieces – installed here are a power distribution board (in the plate sandwich), a plate for her HoG, and a GPS plate sticking out to the left.

The one thing that’s missing are legs – I’ve had the ones supplied before, and they crack and break with the down-falls my testing produces.  There are stronger ones I’ll be getting.  I’ve bought from quadframe.com previously for Chloe so I know the high quality of their frames; the previous frame I’d bought was premature, and sadly I ended up selling it.

But this time, I have a purpose for all the extra space: Hermione will be deployed with GPS, LiDAR x 2, PX4FLOW, a RPi Camera and anything else I can get onto her.  Also the frame supports an X8 layout as well as standard quad format; X8 is where each arm has 2 motors and props: the top motor prop is set up as normal; the lower one is upside down, and the prop is installed on the motor upside down.  The topside and underside props spin in opposite directions.  This format provides more power for heavy lifts and protection against motor / prop damage or failure.  Each prop has its own ESC and separate PWM feed.

Doing the above requires the A3 for its extra cores to do a lot more sensor processing and a new PCB to support the new GPIO pin requirements.

GPS, LiDAR and LEDDAR require UART connections; X8 requires another 4 GPIO pins for the 4 ESCs PWM feed.  One of the sensors – probably GPS – can use the USB port, assuming the A3 has built-in WiFi like the B3.  PXFLOW uses I2C.

My thinking is that LEDDAR and PXFLOW provide term fused inputs to the distance PIDs; GPS provides targets for the flight plan; compass is the yaw input with the the flight plan providing direction of travel so that a camera pointing forwards can always track her progress; Scance Sweep provides object detection overriding the GPS flight path short term to avoid objects.

Together, this means I could set a start and end position for a flight using GPS (either just start and finish or with intermediate check points), and then just set her loose autonomously to track against those points, whether this is simply flying from A to B or getting from the entrance to the centre of a maze, logging “where I’ve been” to ensure she always prioritises new paths through the maze.

Here’s the current PCB eagle layout for Phoebe and Chloe:



  • the right hand side 3 vertical PCB tracks are for the LiPo to 5V regulator – I’m planning on Hermione having a BEC on her PDB (power distribution board), so that opens up space for the rear X8 PWM pins.
  • the left hand side 4 vertical PCB track are I2C extensions in place for the URF, but the space is needed for the the front X8 PWM pins so the I2C extension is moved to the bottom edge and will be used for the PIX4FLOW.

Here’s the first draft of the revised PCB:

Hermione PCB beta

Hermione PCB beta

PIN usage:

  • pins 4, 6, 8, 10 and 12 are used for LEDDAR as now but extended outwards
  • the GPIO pins for PWM are completely reworked for X8 format as is the MPU9250 interrupt pin; I’ll probably end up adding X8 before I add Scanse Sweep simply to fill the gap between now and its delivery
  • I2C is extended on the lowerside for the PX4FLOW
  • That leaves a selection of pins and space on the topside for Scanse Sweep – I need to get wiring specs for this; and alternative is via USB using a UART to USB converter – I have one of these already for use configurating LEDDAR by my Windows PC.
  • GPS will also be via USB, assuming the WiFi is now build into the A3 board or I might use a mini USB hub like on of these that I used already for other projects.

Regarding WiFi, to extend the range, I’m going to replace the (hopefully) on board antenna with a HiRose U.FL connector, as per here.  That will then allow me to connect to a U.FL to RP-SMA cable, and place a higher gain antenna on the board.

I’ve still  left a few breadboard pins at the base as they may turn out to be useful for LEDs, buzzers etc.

As you can see, there’s a lot that needs to be done, but it breaks down into lots of separate blocks to keep me busy until the A3 and Scanse Sweep arrive.  The first step is simple: move Chloe’s HoG over to Hermione’s frame, and get her stable.

*Penelope (as in “Pitstop”) was a close runner up, but with my existing HoGWARTs WAP installation notes, Hermione (as in “Granger”) won the ballot outright.